FREEbox to me means free not $25!!! >:(
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You are entirely correct.
I vote we change the name to.
"I am a cheap bastard and want my cake and to eat it too"
I understand the older versions are still free, but bottom line is this.....
"If you want a quality product you must be willing to pay the price"
There are still at least two commercial jukeboxes out there (THAT SUCK) I know cause I paid for both of them, and they are a hell of a lot more than $25, I would suggest you go buy one of those.
ratzuk,
I think when you have been around this forum for a while and realize how much time and effort the sole author (Barry) puts into this wonderful piece of software, you will be more than willing to pay the $25. I have been involved since version 1 and I have contributed on three occasions as a result of of Barry's efforts, and I still feel guilt! When Barry made it donationware in version 2, some people were ripping him off by paying $1 to get it! $25 is extremely reasonable. If Barry sold the code to a company, I hate to think how much Freebox would be.
There plenty of alternatives, some 'free', most of them commercial, but none as good. If $25 puts you off Freebox, use one of the others . . . .
No offense, but the simple fact that I do not see supporter in your name means well. You are not supporting the software, but simply complaining that you will have to contribute later because you haven't yet. So worst case download the heck out of the current release, which by the way I'm hosting for the site because its one of the things I do to support the Jukebox. Do I have to? NO, the author was having some bandwidth issues and I felt I needed to help because I could and wanted to see the author putting his talents into the Jukebox opposed to worrying about making sure the forum was up 24/7 and others where given the chance to download something for free. Nobody gave me a dime for my efforts either, but Barcrest often shows his thanks by asking our opinions on future addons and lets us try things new that he thinks is exciting and/or adds things or changes things because we suggest.
It's really sad to see somebody even asking such a question.
Can I suggest a vote on a name change???? ???
Any suggestions???
Personally everybody knows it as Freebox and I'd personally leave it, but that's just me.
Nobody knows Barcrest future plans and I do not even want to guess. Asking $25 means he's actually getting 12UK bucks. No offense, but that's sad. In the US 12 wouldn't even buy a pizza. The conversion sucks, but so does complaining about something for nothing.
If that's the case I'm mad at microsoft for not giving me all of their software for free. ;) Sure there is no expectation of it being free, but I want it for free anyways.
Anyways I'm kicking a dead horse. Sure its sad the app is going from being free, asks for donations to a 25 dollar price. Personally donate 25 or whatever before it becomes the way it is and well get the newest version and be in on the bottom while it continues to grow.
Yes got to agree with kizer. $25 is not much at all when you consider the support you get from barry and the other forum members more often than not you will get a reply to any questions you have.The software itself is the best iv'e used and iv.e tried alot. in barry you have someone who listens to what features people want although he can't accomandate everyone he has added some features that set it apart from other software. personally i think $25 should be the minimum donation but thats just me.
That post makes me want to charge him $50 ;D That is the kind of attitude that has stopped the software being free, people should think about that.
I can only agree. You can not really call it free, if it not free. It could been a false markingthing, since new visistors trouch it free when they see on the homepage, but when trying it, they so found out it acutelly cost money. I do have to state it NO wrong to anything to turing this into shareware, and I think it still a nice price.
Other side to know (which is not anything with Freebox to due). I really hate the word "Free Download" for the same reason, which many homepage use, just to found out the software actuelly cost money. It pure false markingthing, if you ask me. It should state "Free Demo" or such instead for more acurate.
Some ideas could been kept the old version 2.2 as freeware and keep its download and do NOT remove it, but its should of course been unspported now, instead only support the new version 3.00 (which of course you should update in 2.2 file to state that).
Even the version 2.2 exists, you can still create the DEMO of version 3 along with v2.2, and you should of course sell v3.0 with it new features, that dosen't exists in 2.2. That is the point to have a chooise to use the unsupported V2 freeware and the supported V3 shareware. Hince the name with Freebox could still exists.
If you need to rename the software to avoiud confusion with new visistors, you might call it "Touch Juke", because your software actuelly is created with Touch screen in mind, and act like a Juke box. You should of couse still use version 3 and still use Freebox as subtitle in some form.
That is mine ideas and yes.
if you can't afford $25 then you don't need it because you can't afford to buy the music to go with it.
Either way I'll host the files as long as Barcrest listens to me whinning about new features and gives me a good excuse to why my lame brain ideas won't work. Hahaha.
I agree if you can't afford the 25bux then well your not going to be able to afford the CDs nor the other hardware the Jukebox uses.
I do like your idea about 3 versions. Some will still scoff about having to pay, but if they had any idea of what differences there is from 2.20 to 3.00 they would jump on it. The speed alone in 3.00 is insane. The random feature on the album selection is simply insane and I will say is one of my favorites.
well...
not sure if anyone cares but
Barry mentioned the name JUKETASTIC at some point and time
as a result i registered the domain
and if anyone goes to www.juketastic.com they will end up here, it has been like thois for 6 months and I like the name
JukeTastic: Great name.
Personly here, it's dosen't matter if Freebox should cost money or not and the price of it.
The main point here, its a bad name for signal for new users (which I guess why the original poster wrote that). The word free should NOT been used, if it's not free.
So Change the name to Juke Tastic instead.
Hehe www.itouchtunes.co.uk and .com registered and owned by me now wouldnt that cause some fuss
;D anyway BB nice on about time you made something for all your efforts
I agree Barry shoudl be duly compensated for his efforts, personally I have done everythig in my hads to make sure this is the case and I have still not gone bankrupt, bottom line is if you like the prog (Which mot everyoe does)
SHOW YOUR APPRECIATION
Just FYI Barry was so bummed out on Friday he told me he might be considering discontinuing development alltogether frankly I cannot blame him has his entire existance evolves around a project that generates near to nothing for him.
Netcat, you are one with a old a very good supported users. I wrote what post, because new users may think defficents. That post was his first post (= new user, and he actuelly registred on forum first).
So for markingthing a shareware applications, do not force users to think it a freeware, if it not a free application. Hince it bad name to get new users. So in my eyes free should been free, since it use that word (see with a new users eye).
Freebox was actuelly a great name in both version 1 and version 2. Here donations does not tell here, since you actuelly not forced to do that, but would been great to trouch a donation to get the updates. But it now fuzzed out in version 3, because there would not been have a free version anymore.
And yes, Recently in Denmark (where I live), a fitness store have been catched, which have markedthing a free month training. But they diddent' actuelly state & tell, you have been forced to pay half year training or such that(was about a 150$ fee, actuelly the free training was not free).
So Change Freebox name to JukeTastic instead and use something. JukeTastic is a really great name, and you can still use freebox on its subtitle to let users now it name have been changed).
Still
Legally i can cal it what i want. FREEBOX could refer to the fact you can use free music, like MP3's not paid for music like itunes. If this is an issue i don't mind closing it all down like netcat says, i did tell him i would shut it all down... No skin off my nose, i love this project and i love the users and i feel i owe some of you much more than i have given bt i am thinking of shutting it down. I don't have the time to put up with al this nonsense.
I like the freebox name, why change it?
I posted a long response, but oddly I don't know where it went. Anyways I"ll sum it up to what I said.
Personally. If there is to be a free version then so be it. Release 3.0 and if its a non free version,. those that want the features, speed, and goodness of it will pay for it. Sure some will not simply because they are either cheap or expect something for nothing. Heck tell me I have to pay/donate to use it and I'll gladly do it just for the sake of doing it and saying Thank You for all the efforts and long hours that have gone into it.
Barcrest should take a break and let things roll. Maybe work on a side project and well in so many words clear the air for a bit and just enjoy what hes done for many of us. Do I want the project to fade away and literally die? NO, I will host whatever files Barcrest needs hosted for as long as he is willing to allow me to do so.
Anyways I'm not going to reply to this thread anymore simply because its beginning to annoy me and well I've beat the horse enough while its down.
Personly I do have donatied with bandwidth (not money) and would still do that. Even Barcrest might have lost his FTP account, you can just ask me to upload eventuelly new versions (includning demo). It even I have my own software (MultiJuke, which exists to Linux as well Windows).
Freebox name can just been misforstood very easy by new users. Those from version 1, is of course newer a problem (includning my self, since I saw that very first post on arcadecontrols.com).
It simply need more explain on the about tab in homepage to explain the name more preciosion to avoid these misforstood things and what the name stood for and why it choosed that.
That it.
whoa!, i have been out of the forum for awhile, and couldnt believe someone actually complained about it. obviously he didnt take 2 minutes to see what freebox has to offer. i definitly do not want to see barry lose interest! as this is the best jukebox software around hands down!! i have been using this pretty much since his first versions and would have donated generously then with all the bugs and the name FREEbox. personally i like the name. it flows nicely, said slow n low--"freebox jukebox"
Barry, please whatever you do, dont lose interest in the project! Its great and most of us really appreciate your efforts! i would like to be one to show more support and participate more in the forum but my job......jobs requires too much of my time it seems. thanks for the great program.
Hopefully i will be able to bust my own nuts tonight and make some headway on something i have been thinking about. I need to get back to working on the jukebox....
Hi barry just given another donation to show how much i appreciate your hard work. by far the best software iv'e tried and feel if you were to keep it going will only get better. whatever you decide to do thanks...
otherwice good luck to selling :D, hoping you still improve your app.
This is one great program, and Barcrest really seems to go out of his way to put in just about every feature that anyone asks him to...
I'm going to chip in (finally) because as long as the development of this "box" continues, I want to be there to see it... The V3 is looking sharp!
Have a good one...
yes agreead about the whole dead horse beating comment.
I think this might be resoked very simply.
The last version of freebox 2 (that was freeware) Continues beeing freeware
From there on there is a Enforced doantion of (whatever Barry deems appropriate)
and with that said
Wham, Bam Thank you maam
Having used Freebox for a while now, and donated twice I feel the need to add my little bit to this thread.
Barry works really hard to keep this project running, and as mentioned before makes next to nothing from it. That's pure commitment! Others on here do there bit as well, hosting the site/files and other bits like writing the manual all add to the commitment.
I think it's more polite to say, rather than paying for this product, what you are infact doing is paying for all the time and effort that has been put into it so far while it was free.
Also, on the name change, keep it Freebox. Thats the name, just coz it has free in it, should not imply anything. Also, when people see how good it is, they will pay for it, and appreciate the effort and hard work that's gone to make it what it is. $25 ?? I would pay more for other, lesser, jukebox software....And remember, that would come with zero to basic support too!
I don't know any software developer that makes nothing from his work, offers endless support and is available on MSN as well !!! $25, thats a bargain in my book!
hey, Chris talked about "Freedom Jukebox" in his thread at arcadecontrols.com because he want to have a new name to his software (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=71185.0).
Freedom Jukebox would suit so very good because it sound very simular with the name Freebox (one letter change), but there are no contradiction at all, because the name thinking about one thing:
Your app do have a very very good skinning support (like Wincab/Doscab also has)!!
Sorry If I crited the name for much in the past, and maybe have sound for negative.