If anybody living in the UK is after a nice little DIY touchscreen project, you may be interested in this E-Bay listing.
It's a Sound Leisure pub jukebox BUT there is no PC inside, basically everything else is in there, screen, amp etc, making it ideal for a DIY project. According to the listing everything works fine on them.
They are up for sale at £150 but there is a 'make offer' button available.
There were 5 available but only 3 remain now.
I will admit I've taken the plunge & purchased one and I hope I've made the correct decision (it's my first ever E-Bay purchase).
E-Bay Listing (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Music-Post-Digital-Jukebox-Cabinet-Ideal-4-Project-MP3-Jukebox-Touchscreen-/112280041872?hash=item1a24697990&autorefresh=true)
BTW, I have NO affiliation with the seller of this product, I've only mentioned it here as it could be of interest to others.
Shame I did not have the money or the space as I would have brought one myself. A good price really, and not a shabby looking box. Once you get that bad boy set up your skinning will change. You will really want to push the boat out to make it look the best that it can be.
This is your final moment on your journey, young padawan.
Regards
Mark
Hi Mark,
To be honest, I don't have the space for one either AND I know I will get shouted at, very loudly & most probably for quite a few minutes when it turns up :D lol.
I've been watching eBay for the past 3 years & felt this offer was the right time to take the plunge, well that's my story I'm going to use.... :D
Regards
Tel.
If this is the only cabinet you have it is literally as best as you can get it. It is not the same just having a PC connected to a touch screen monitor. I love my cabinet and my 32 inch touch screen, but if I had seen that when I first brought my cabinet, then I would have jumped all over this.
I would almost contemplate swapping one of them for something like this, as it looks the business, rather than a hash job,
If she moans, just tell her, I can always get a new woman, however, cabinets are hard to come by.
Regards
Mark
That is a great deal... I already have a video surfer in the garage i have done nothing with for ages. I would love one of these but 2 issues... A Wall bracket and would I get killed by the other half LOL. It works out at £215 with delivery which is still pretty good. If I could pick them up i would have had all of them.
Will you two man up. God sake I am not afraid of your other halfs, send them to me if they want to have a moan.
Are you men or mice?
Quote from: Mark Norville on January 27, 2017, 12:37:24 PM
Will you two man up. God sake I am not afraid of your other halfs, send them to me if they want to have a moan.
Are you men or mice?
I need to find a new job before shelling out money on something like this. 5 years ago i could have put a pc in those wired up the coin mech and flipped them for £400 to £500 each, now not so much. Don't forget you need to add £50 for a pc to go in there and the cost of an iPac or equivalent to hook up the coin mech. So it might end up being £300 all in then, I doubt I would be able to sell them for any more than that.
Looking again i can see these don't need a wall bracket they just hang off a couple of bolts in the wall so at least that is one issue taken care of.
yes, this will be my first ever jukebox cabinet, I've been extra patient waiting for the right one to come available or should that say at a price I'm prepared to pay. :D :-[
At the moment I'm using a touchscreen AIO PC as my main jukebox, which to be honest works fine but the problem is, it just doesn't look the part, I'm hoping this cabinet will.
I was very tempted by the 32" monitor option as there was one available the other day for around 300 pounds but I genuinely don't have the room for one, especially as I'd have to mount it vertically & hiding the PC box would become a major issue for me.
Quote from: Mark Norville on January 27, 2017, 10:24:21 AM
If she moans, just tell her, I can always get a new woman, however, cabinets are hard to come by.
Lol. I know if I said that to her, I would be very much single and most probably wearing the new jukebox cabinet on my head lol ;D
Quote from: Barcrest on January 27, 2017, 12:40:17 PM
I need to find a new job before shelling out money on something like this. 5 years ago i could have put a pc in those wired up the coin mech and flipped them for £400 to £500 each, now not so much. Don't forget you need to add £50 for a pc to go in there and the cost of an iPac or equivalent to hook up the coin mech. So it might end up being £300 all in then, I doubt I would be able to sell them for any more than that.
I did think about this as well, when I first saw them but once looking around eBay, it soon became apparent, it would take a while to sell them at a price to make a profit.
Quote from: Barcrest on January 27, 2017, 12:41:24 PM
Looking again i can see these don't need a wall bracket they just hang off a couple of bolts in the wall so at least that is one issue taken care of.
The write up at the bottom claims they come with a wall bracket.
So the easy part for you is justifying it to the O/H which I know will be a doddle ;D
Look at how much they are selling this rubbish for though http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/Digital-Touchscreen-Jukebox-Wall-Mounted-with-Airplay-or-Bluetooth-connectivity/152306559557?hlpht=true&ops=true&viphx=1&_trksid=p2050601.c100103.m2451&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37140%26meid%3Dab0708f1e8da49a9a41b7f329597557b%26pid%3D100103%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D152306559557%26clkid%3D2161673807433179593&_qi=RTM2065532
Quote from: Mark Norville on January 27, 2017, 12:53:57 PM
Look at how much they are selling this rubbish for though http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/Digital-Touchscreen-Jukebox-Wall-Mounted-with-Airplay-or-Bluetooth-connectivity/152306559557?hlpht=true&ops=true&viphx=1&_trksid=p2050601.c100103.m2451&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37140%26meid%3Dab0708f1e8da49a9a41b7f329597557b%26pid%3D100103%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D152306559557%26clkid%3D2161673807433179593&_qi=RTM2065532
I have to admit, that Jukebox design isn't really my cup of tea, I'm sure there are plenty who love it though, I just wanted something along the lines of those found in pubs.
It's crap lol few bits of MDF stuck together and they charge that much.
I recognise that skin as well. By the way don't slag it off to much, look under delivery on the right hand side ;)
(yes I know it's a place in Wales)
What the new condition? It is just MDF which is cut with a saw. I have someone on my facebook friends list that has spent about £20,000 on CNC machinery. We got talking on youtube as he is a Plymouth lad so local to me. We spoke about these guys, he in turn talked to them. The £695 price is far too high.
MDF £40 if that
Software £50 I think it is
Delivery £60
Computer £100
Time £100
So about £350 and then almost £350 profit for crap. You can buy an arcade machine for about £500 more, which is a better build, and bigger than these Welsh jokers are offering.
I would not even pee on a cabinet like that, it is not even a cabinet really more a box with gubbings in. The chances are it is not even a touch screen monitor, just an overlay hooked onto a old monitor.
I would sooner have a beaten and battered ex pub jukebox any time lol
Regards
Mark
Quote from: Gaucho on January 29, 2017, 12:31:35 PM
I recognise that skin as well. By the way don't slag it off to much, look under delivery on the right hand side ;)
(yes I know it's a place in Wales)
lol. it took me a couple of moments to get what you meant about the delivery ;D
Very droll yes Barry in South Wales.
I am pretty sure like most sales on ebay that software is unlicenced.
I know the software and trust me it is very hard to copy, unless they are doing something that I don't know about. The license is on your computer, it is based on your mobo, if you take the hard drive out and use it in another computer, it will not work, you need to request a new key.
I am not sure what is happening with that software now, as they have not updated for a long while, it is still 5.0 and has been for god knows how long. Customer support is almost none according to the forum, it was what I was using before I took the plunge into this.
And I have hated you lot ever since lol
Regards
Mark
Well, I've now received my Jukebox case from the eBay listing mentioned in the first post, it arrived around half 5 this morning!
It certainly looks the business, needs a bit of a clean up though and there are a few scratches on the silver metallic but to be honest I was expecting this anyway.
I'm currently waiting for it to warm up in the back room before I dare power it up, fingers crossed it's still working. It currently looks fine.
However, the biggest shock for me, as I never researched this bit, was how heavy this beast is. It weighs over 7 stone and really needs two people to lift it, if I had known this beforehand, I would have never purchased it.
I may rip out the amp and use Bluetooth audio to my Hi-Fi, this may help lighten it slightly.
Anyway, I've got it now and will see what I can do with it.
Regards
bw
7 stone is about 98 pounds are you 100% sure about the weight? If you are check walls first see what you are placing on stone brick plaster etc.
I am on tablet till tommorrow as been system building but YouTube toggler heavy duty wall mounts.
I will try and find links tomorrow when on pc
Just to update from my earlier post, in case anyone is even remotely interested.
The monitor powered up fine, I plugged it into a temporary PC just so I could check it.
I had a few problems getting the touch screen to work initially but after nosing around the internet I finally found a driver to work with Windows 7 and now it's working fine.
I just have to build a PC into it now.
Quote from: Mark Norville on February 10, 2017, 07:40:48 PM
7 stone is about 98 pounds are you 100% sure about the weight? If you are check walls first see what you are placing on stone brick plaster etc.
I am on tablet till tommorrow as been system building but YouTube toggler heavy duty wall mounts.
I will try and find links tomorrow when on pc
Hi Mark,
Unfortunately, yes I'm about correct with weight, when I finally tracked down the specification on the SL website this evening (whilst looking for the drivers), they claim the Sound Post II (which I have) is 48 KG, it currently doesn't have the PC in it, so maybe reduce that by 2 or 3 KGs.
Believe me, it's unbelievably heavy :(
I think my monitor was 30 alone. I will have to check when on PC.
I cannot see ripping out the amp will make much difference on weight. I would really check sound quality first before thinking about that.
Too crisp the sound the less authentic it will feel. E.g you might as well buy a CD than having a pub experience.
Remember to look at toggle bolts though for the weight
Here is a youtube video just incase your walls are plasterboard, they are called snap toggles, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECDysfNhx_E
I brought some of them, but my walls were not deep enough to get them through, just take a fools advice measure the height and make sure you centre everything first, and then double and treble check.
When I put my monitor up, I had no step ladders and only myself to lift it up, I drilled holes too high for the weight of the monitor, I then drilled holes too far left, so it did not look central.
Made a mess of the walls, but finally got it to be a almost happy place, although I am jealous that you have a cabinet, although I put wrap on the monitor, it still looks like a monitor.
Still something to do maybe this year and look at a box or something.
I'm lucky enough to have some proper solid block walls that I can fix the Jukebox to, I wouldn't dare fix it to a stud wall, I'd always be panicking that the plasterboard would simply 'rip out'.
The big problem for me at the moment is the weight of the unit, it really needs two people to move it around, which makes it extremely difficult to work on it.
Anyway, it will now be placed to one side for the time being, basically until I start getting some computer parts to place in it and get it up and running like a true pub juke.
Damn I thought my Fuji Film Kiosks were heavy. I wouldn't mount yours even on a brick wall.
Brad
Having spoke to a few other people yesterday about the weight of it, including my parents, all seem to be very wary about wall mounting it, even on a block/brick wall.
So, unsure what to do about it all now.
It will be fine, remember these things are put up on walls every where in pubs, if there was a major issue regarding weight, they would have not been in pubs.
Just make sure that you have the right bolts for it, did it come with any?
If I can put up a 30 kg monitor on breeze block walls and MDF, you would be ok if brick.
It is all about the fittings, if in doubt ask a TV wall mounter to do it for you.
My Video Surfer is probably even heavier which is why it is in the garage doing nothing :downer
Quote from: Barcrest on February 13, 2017, 11:36:24 AM
My Video Surfer is probably even heavier which is why it is in the garage doing nothing :downer
I've got a horrible feeling that's where my Juke cab is going to end up as well.. :-\
Quote from: berrywell on February 13, 2017, 03:53:48 PM
Quote from: Barcrest on February 13, 2017, 11:36:24 AM
My Video Surfer is probably even heavier which is why it is in the garage doing nothing :downer
I've got a horrible feeling that's where my Juke cab is going to end up as well.. :-\
I think the way to go is just use a touchscreen computer or a large touchscreen wall mounted running off a windows on a stick pc like the intel stick. I have been more than happy with tablet.
Quote from: Barcrest on February 15, 2017, 12:38:57 PM
I think the way to go is just use a touchscreen computer or a large touchscreen wall mounted running off a windows on a stick pc like the intel stick. I have been more than happy with tablet.
Yeah, I'm now really wishing I followed Mark's idea of mounting a widescreen touch monitor vertically and made my jukebox like that. I even looked at the SFF PC's that can be mounted off the VESA mount on the back of the monitor & still allow for wall mounting.
The problem with a monitor though, is that it looks like a monitor, even if you use some woodworking skills, it probably would not look the same as a cabinet.
Which is why I tried to wrap the monitor, so it did not look as such.
As I say though, if you have brick, please remember that these are in pubs in most places, so if they can do it, so can you guys.
I did see a video once of a bloke installing a sound leisure if I can find it shall post it, he was doing an installation on his own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_mE6tkQIAc
Thanks for the YouTube link Mark, I've just had a nose at it.
I don't think that the Juke Cab that I've got can be split in two like that, if it could, then that would make life a lot easier to work on it.
I shall have a nose later to see if it's possible.
Does ANYBODY ever get their perfect cabinet finished - ever???
I found some old 'photo kiosks' (like used to be in supermarkets for printing photos) on a local auction site, and managed to get two, one for myself and one for a friend. Great size, it will sit on a table top or bar and still be accessible. Only a small touch screen (about 17") but fairly easy to carry around and set up at a friends place, for parties. The PC has HDMI out for 2nd monitor, and I'm now fitting Wi-Fi & Bluetooth cards to it to make 'visiting' connections even easier. I have a friend who is experimenting with hydro film dipping, so he did the front cover in flames, with panels in a checker plate design to break it up. I'm really wrapped at how it came out! One day I'll figure how to upload to 'you tube' and show off!
The new project is more home-based: a 23" touch mounted in our pantry entry (just off the kitchen: I told the wife that she can look up recipes on it so have full permission!!); a PC hidden in my server area, and hopefully use the 55" TV in the kitchen/dining area for the 2nd monitor. we always have music on in the house, and we're all missing the previous juke setup, so this is the next step.
Always one more project to do!!!
I personally would not use a second monitor, especially in a kitchen, and especially not a 55 inch. Unless you have a massive kitchen then a 55-inch tv will seem overkill. A jukebox will soon be obsolete in most areas of the house, with the invention of smart homes and smart devices such as the amazon echo, google home and Nvidia spot.
Jukebox will be for man caves only. Why touch when you can speak? The future is already here today, future plan your ideas, and it will save a lot of time and expense in the long run.
Regards
Mark
Quote from: Mark Norville on February 17, 2017, 09:14:01 AM
I personally would not use a second monitor, especially in a kitchen, and especially not a 55 inch. Unless you have a massive kitchen then a 55-inch tv will seem overkill. A jukebox will soon be obsolete in most areas of the house, with the invention of smart homes and smart devices such as the amazon echo, google home and Nvidia spot.
Jukebox will be for man caves only. Why touch when you can speak? The future is already here today, future plan your ideas, and it will save a lot of time and expense in the long run.
Regards
Mark
I don't think so yet.... Yeah they are less popular but people are settling for something easy to set up. Take spotify, yeah it's OK if you pay for it but the free version you might as well have the radio on. A jukebox gives you much more than that especially when you have people over. Amazon echo, play my playlist.. Yeah nice but doesn't work so well if you want people queuing up their songs. Also the second screen for the muisic videos is the real benefit, it's far cooler than just playing a bunch of mp3's.
The thing is getting E-touch to work with voice command probably isn't that hard but i really don't see anyone wanting that.
Yes Mark; a big kitchen! To expand: I'm in Australia, so a big house , and the kitchen is kitchen & dining room (in Australia, we don't even have our laundry in the kitchen!). Our kitchen is sort of the central point of the house, so even though I've got a theatre room where all the good sound system is, we have the music going whilst we're doing... everything. It's rare for me to just sit and listen. And I love being able to hit a playlist, and know that I'll hear my sort of music; no ads, no repeats (I hate commercial radio), no bulls&it.
The TV is already in the kitchen and I ran extra HDMI whilst installing, so it's ready to go. Just working on the PC for it now....
Definitely need a juke in a man-cave; I'm still running SK jukebox there, but once I get the new touchscreen then I'll look at upgrading there (the man-cave is in my shed, so not part of the house).
Whew, that's my life story, almost!!!!
Quote from: Cletus on February 18, 2017, 01:48:48 AM
we have the music going whilst we're doing... everything. It's rare for me to just sit and listen. And I love being able to hit a playlist, and know that I'll hear my sort of music; no ads, no repeats (I hate commercial radio), no bulls&it.
This is how i pretty much use mine, I have a large local library so I use the E-Touch DJ feature. Pick a track and let it pick other related tracks to ensure i get a nice random mix of what I should like. If it strays from that I just pick another track..
Well, another little update on this...
Tonight I've decided to have another play with this heavy, heavy monster sound.
I have a small MINIX PC, about the size of a cigarette packet lying around. Then I got thinking that this would be perfect to go inside the Juke Cab as it's extremely light and small, plus is powerful enough for just playing music files. The big worry was that it's running Windows 10.
With nothing to lose I plugged in a HDMI to VGA cable converter (as the MINIX PC only has HDMI out) and a USB to serial converter as for obvious reasons, it doesn't have a serial port. I then connected up the monitor in the Juke cab to the PC.
Well after 10 minutes of messing around with different drivers, unbelievably, the touchscreen started working with Windows 10. The drivers came from Sound Leisures own website.
So, If anyone is thinking of getting one of these cabinets, I can confirm first hand, they work with both Windows 7 & Windows 10.
The downside for me though, is that I've discovered about half inch (probably about 15mm) around the edge of the screen, the touch just won't work. I assume this is a fault of the touch screen rather than a driver issue. I will have to have a dig around on the internet tomorrow to see if it's a known fault, an easy fix or I just have to make some 'narrower skins' for my cab.
Oh well, what's given with one hand, is taken with another.... :-\
The commercial jukebox screens are never 100% if you look at a lot of pub skins, they are away from the edges.
Quote from: Mark Norville on February 21, 2017, 10:01:57 PM
The commercial jukebox screens are never 100% if you look at a lot of pub skins, they are away from the edges.
Hi Mark,
Yeah, after I wrote the above last night, I investigated several Sound Leisure skins that come with these style cabinets. You're quite correct, they don't tend to go right up to the edges or if they do, they tend to have a massive button which can still be pressed away from the 'dead zone'.
Looks like I'm going to have to alter some of my 1024x768 skins to get them to work on my cab, which is a bit of a sod really as the amount of screen real estate on this resolutions is at a premium.
Quote from: berrywell on February 22, 2017, 08:43:47 AM
Quote from: Mark Norville on February 21, 2017, 10:01:57 PM
The commercial jukebox screens are never 100% if you look at a lot of pub skins, they are away from the edges.
I investigated several Sound Leisure skins that come with these style cabinets. You're quite correct
I had to leave the I am quite correct, just to prove that I am correct sometimes lol
However, this post is to get you thinking outside of the box on skinning. COPY THEIR FOOKING SKINS.
You have a cabinet which looks like the real deal, now make a skin that looks the real deal as well.
Regards
Mark
Quote from: Mark Norville on February 22, 2017, 01:18:56 PM
I had to leave the I am quite correct, just to prove that I am correct sometimes lol
However, this post is to get you thinking outside of the box on skinning. COPY THEIR FOOKING SKINS.
You have a cabinet which looks like the real deal, now make a skin that looks the real deal as well.
Regards
Mark
Oh My God, looks like I was caught off guard when I replied to your message, admitting you're quite right, what was I thinking????? :P ;D :D ;) lol
All joking aside though, it looks like I am going to have to come up with a slightly different designed skin for my cabinet.
Honestly have a look at the skins that they have and copy one of them to hell. You will never please all of the people, e.g me as I do not use that resolution. It is easy to copy for the majority of the things, but when you come to history and other stuff like that, you have to start making that part up as they don't have that on commercial jukeboxes.
I am sat here like a twat (Nothing new) just waiting for Amazon to deliver my SSD's then I can start getting back on track, I know what I want to do, but implementing it is going to be harder with folder naming.
My plan of attack is
Top 100 singles (replacing karaoke) this will be the main screen
Top 100 albums background if someone wants a song not charted
Top 100 music videos
2017 start from the new year, and catch up
1980 to 2000s my favourite decades so might start there, then do other decades later
Then work on other Countries.
Probably have to spend a few thousand on new computers or servers to get all of that, but I want it all. Fook it I am just going to buy the BBC, they already have all the albums and singles ever released.
Quote from: Mark Norville on February 22, 2017, 01:44:42 PM
My plan of attack is
Top 100 singles (replacing karaoke) this will be the main screen
Top 100 albums background if someone wants a song not charted
Top 100 music videos
How are intending to implement this, as I can't picture what you mean?
Are you going to list each individual song or still have an 'album' style layout with singles?
I have not got a clue yet I was thinking along the lines for
2017 FOLDER
- Week 1 - 01-01-2017 FOLDER
- 01 - Adele - Hello FOLDER
- 01 - Adele - Hello FILE
All the new entries will be in that folder, either that or just putting the single under it's folder, as I will be having seperate hard drives for albums etc.
Right time for a walk amazon have delivered to my locker
Have you calibrated that touchscreen? I have used megatouch cabs and the old jpm millionaire cabs for jukeboxes and once the touchscreen was calibrated they have worked pretty much up to the edge. The touchscreen drives should have some calibration software to let you do this.
Quote from: Barcrest on February 22, 2017, 02:17:27 PM
Have you calibrated that touchscreen? I have used megatouch cabs and the old jpm millionaire cabs for jukeboxes and once the touchscreen was calibrated they have worked pretty much up to the edge. The touchscreen drives should have some calibration software to let you do this.
I have no idea, I will have a nose hopefully tonight, to see whether this feature is available and try from there.
would be interested to see your skin design for this cab as I have had one of these cabs knocking around for a couple
of years it might inspire me to do something with it
that's if you are sharing the skin on here :D
Well, I found the calibration setting & spent a good hour or more last night trying to calibrate the screen but to no avail.
There is still the best part of 1/2 to 3/4 inch around the screen that the touch won't work on "a dead zone".
I may have a nose over the weekend to see if these 'touch through glass' monitors can be taken out and re-installed easily, to see if that's the problem. I can see what looks like black masking tape encroaching into the visible screen area, which appear to hold the screen in place. Maybe this could be reason for the lack of touch around the edges..
I don't know whether anyone is bothering to follow this thread but here's my latest update on converting this Jukebox.
Well, so far I've placed a small Minix PC running Windows 10 on it. As this only has two usb ports (frustratingly I need four), I have to get hold of a USB multi-port. This PC has built in Blutooth, so I hope to be able to be use that for audio & stream to my stereo rather than using the inbuilt amp.
I also need to work out how to automate the 'screenseal driver/program' to launch on Windows start-up, as I have to keep clicking on it to get the touch facility to work. If anyone has any ideas or links to a website how to do this, I'd be grateful.
I'm also currently designing a new skin to work with the limitations of the 'dead zone' of the touch screen.
Silly question but have you put it in your start up folder?
Quote from: Mark Norville on February 27, 2017, 11:08:09 AM
Silly question but have you put it in your start up folder?
No I haven't, whilst I can do this with Windows 7, Microsoft appear to have either removed or hidden (very well) this folder in Windows 10.
I'm too good to you sometimes https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/windows-10-startup-folder/
Thank you Mark, :)
I will set that up later in the week.
The next problem is going to be working out why that, despite having the correct screen resolution settings in Windows, when I load my new skin (same resolution as desktop setting), the jukebox automatically goes back to 1024x768 and leaves big black borders around the screen & my new skin disappears off to the left and bottom of the screen. :(
If you remember what I said about, it is easier skinning on the actual device you are wanting the skin for. If you skinned on a 40 inch wide screen monitor at 1900 x 900 resolution, it will throw out the skin on the other monitor.
If you goto settings and check your resolution, it will say what the ideal resolution is for the monitor.
Again though, I really question as to why you would want to use windows 10 on a dedicated cabinet for it?
Windows 7 is more suitable.
Quote from: Mark Norville on February 27, 2017, 01:33:07 PM
If you remember what I said about, it is easier skinning on the actual device you are wanting the skin for. If you skinned on a 40 inch wide screen monitor at 1900 x 900 resolution, it will throw out the skin on the other monitor.
If you goto settings and check your resolution, it will say what the ideal resolution is for the monitor.
Again though, I really question as to why you would want to use windows 10 on a dedicated cabinet for it?
I couldn't skin on the machine itself, that would be far too awkward and cumbersome for me, I need to use my main PC to do the skinning, it's comfortable, easy & everything I need is installed on it . The Jukebox case is simply too heavy to do anything like that with.
The recommended resolution in windows settings is 1024x768.
I had raised it (and it works fine with other windows applications) so I had enough screen real estate to get over the touchscreen 'dead zone'. Using the recommended 1024x768 resolution, I'm going to be struggling to make a decent skin & make anything of this cabinet.
The frustrating thing is, what part of the skin I've already put together looked really good on the box.
Quote
Windows 7 is more suitable.
I totally agree, I do have an ageing Windows 7 PC, I may cannibalise that instead and see if the resolution works better then.
You would still need to make some adjustments on skin on the jukebox, remember what I said regarding looks ok on my work pc, but then looks off a bit on jukebox. Butting it you called it.
Remember you are using it for a jukebox, nothing more and nothing less, so you do not need to worry about other apps, that is the reason for getting a dedicated juke.
Again THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX do a design for YOUR JUKEBOX, fook the rest, ditch most of the crap like jukebox ID, etc etc, the stuff that you do not need, and you will have more room.
Remember it is for YOUR JUKEBOX.
Regards
Mark
Quote from: Mark Norville on February 27, 2017, 03:11:54 PM
Again THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX do a design for YOUR JUKEBOX, fook the rest, ditch most of the crap like jukebox ID, etc etc, the stuff that you do not need, and you will have more room.
Remember it is for YOUR JUKEBOX.
Actually, on this occasion, I was taking your advice and thinking outside the box, hence the different 'non-standard' screen resolution of 1280x960, the Juke monitor has a maximum of 1280x1024 (although windows recommends 1024x768). I need to use the larger screen size resolution so I can factor in the touch 'dead zone'.
I will attempt to look more into it later in the week & see if I can resolve the screen sizing issue.
I've sorted out my screen resolution problems.
Turns out that I had a setting enabled that made all 'apps' run at 150% instead of 100%, all sorted now :)
Two words spring to mind, both of which are not printable ;) still glad you got it sorted.
As for skinning on the cabinet, you can do most of the graphics work on home pc, but having a wireless mouse and keyboard and a seat helps when skinning on an awkward size.
Right back to the TV give yourself a massive slap first, then a small pat on the back ;)
Did you know you have to calibrate it at the resolution you are at, you can't calibrate at 1024 then alter the resolution without recalibration. At least that is how i found it to be with cabinets i converted.... Newer touch screen tech is much more reliable and you don't need to worry about such things.
I've tried calibrating the screen with the different resolutions I've been playing around with and all give the same results, a dead zone around the edges.
To be honest, I just think I've ended up with cabinet with a damaged touchscreen, the main part of the screen works fine, just about half to three quarter inch around the outside that doesn't.
Never to worry, I'm still working on it and going to try and make the best of it now.
I have worked a lot with these screens known as zytronic touch I came across one that was slightly
of at the edge of the screen a couple of times once cured it by removing the ribbon connecter on
the control board and reinserting it and also in the settings there is adjustment called edge settings
which might help
and there is more then one version of the software/drivers
look on the zytronic web site :beer
Hi JukeJohn,
Thanks for the heads-up about those tips, hopefully I will get a chance to try them out at some point today :)
Fingers crossed one at least works.
Thank you
:beer
Quote from: jukejohn on February 28, 2017, 10:45:15 PM
also in the settings there is adjustment called edge settings
which might help
By Jove, you have hit the nail on the head dear boy. 8)
I loaded up the touch screen settings and went to the Edge Settings, altered them to maximum and wooohoooo ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I also played around with the other settings in there and altered the sensitivity and it all now works exactly I hoped it would. There is still a slight problem with the extreme bottom left hand corner but that isn't a problem for me.
Looks like I've wasted the last 4 days making a skin to fit the screen when i didn't need to. Oh well, i shall complete it now and then alter it accordingly afterwards to a better setting and make use of the full screen.
I realise I should have spotted this myself but with having so little spare time to work on the Jukebox and skinning, I just didn't.
Once again jukejohn, thank you so much :)
:beer :beer
more then welcome :)
For those that have converted these style Jukeboxes....
How do you go about powering up the PC inside the Jukebox when you want to use it?
Do you just open the Jukebox door every time you want to power it up and press the power button on the PC?
Or do you have a PC power button outside the jukebox case?
Or is there some other way I haven't thought of?
just connect a lead with a momentary switch to the f panel connecter marked psw 2pins on the motherboard job done
however if your amp is 240v plus the light system you will have to use a 12volt relay this is what I do
so when the power switch is applied the 12 volt from the pc psu activates the relay switch and hey presto
or a simple way just get a 12volt amplifier and power it of from the 12volt supply
When I first got my cabinet the computer inside of it had something done to it, where it would restart as long as there was power, I have been trying to recreate that, with no luck.
However, I have since found this and going to order soon https://www.amazon.co.uk/Desktop-Computer-Supply-Button-Switch/dp/B00HG7HO22/ref=s9_simh_gw_g421_i1_r?_encoding=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=P35TFNJVKH0QT7F181JM&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=16f14aeb-bd11-4e9e-8c26-9ca0139074ee&pf_rd_i=desktop
yip that's it mark a momentary switch complete with leads ready made spoton for the price
cost a couple of quid for a switch of ebay without leads so good find
however not ideal if you wanted to turn the eject switch on front of cab to use as main switch which I have
done a few times and works well and is in keeping with the juke cab styling
Hi Guy's
Complete newbie here. Been following your conversion progress with great interest as this is something I would like to do with my sound leisure video juke box.
Never knew this was possible. Great stuff!
Steve
Thanks for your replies guys :)
I did wonder whether what Mark has linked to would be ideal for what I needed, I'd looked at it just before I made my other post but wasn't 100% sure if right or not. I will now order one, can't really lose at that price and see how I get on.
As for the amp John, I've no idea what voltage it is as yet, I'm still undecided whether to keep it or just trail a 3.5mm jack cable to my hi-fi in the room and use that instead. I'm just taking one step at a time currently.
I've got a cheap old PC off E-Bay, it came the other day, I decided the Minix PC wasn't fit for purpose, unfortunately, the hard drive is failing on the eBay purchase, so I've got a 120GB SSD arriving tomorrow and I've got an old 500GB HDD laying around, so going to initially use that for music storage.
All good stuff so far and thank you both for your help :) it's greatly appreciated.
Quote from: sportyone on March 02, 2017, 04:38:22 PM
Hi Guy's
Complete newbie here. Been following your conversion progress with great interest as this is something I would like to do with my sound leisure video juke box.
Never knew this was possible. Great stuff!
Steve
Hi Steve
Welcome to the forums :)
I would say straight away that 500 gig is far too low for storage unless you are being very tight on what you want.
I transferred 2 unlimited almost discography and that was 1 gig plus so unless you very selective on what you want then 500 gigs is just not enough, I am currently on 3 2 TB hard drives 1.81 useable. I have one for music videos, one for albums and then the other for singles.
I was pulling my hair out all day as I was trying to get everything how I wanted it, which was to try and download every album and single since the dawn of time, yet some albums are not available, and you could be there for God knows how long sorting stuff out.
Also the fact that eTouch does not have any special facility to make each weeks releases stand out, I am literally tagging an album, and then I have been playing with files to folder so I can take an album, put each track into it's own folder, then rename the file so that the song title is the album title, and then saving the cover file in the folders, beats messing around.
I am not sure how I am going to manage music videos yet, but I know that I want to go through the charts to get as many as possible, but then I might just leave those in artist folders.
However, I am digressing a bit now but 500 gigs YUCK.
Go big or go home ;)
I only use 500gb did use larger ones but no point as I found anything bigger I was putting all sorts of shite on that
never got played
so I stripped back for quality instead of quantity as I live on my own so its mainly for me and my flavours
only use video and mp3s no karaoke
but one day might do a flac jukebox and up my drive to 1tb
Flac is probably a waste of time being honest unless your hearing is 100% most people cannot notice any difference between the two apart from file size. Always a good idea to listen to an mp3 and then flac and then see if you can notice a difference.
Also with flac, you will get fewer albums or songs unless you rip yourself.
I am playing with using karaoke for singles, mainly because I always wanted a singles box, so I have the singles/karaoke as my main launch but at the moment that could change, as just trying to decide what I really want.
I don't know why I bother, to be honest as I very rarely listen to music, it is just a boys toy for me, and a bit of flash if ever have company.
At the moment I am trying Plex for my movies rather than kodi, so trying to have everything on three computers, anyway back to movie, and carry on downloading lol
Mark, I'm only using 500GB initially as I happen to have a spare one lying around. Using this just saves me laying out more capital than I need to at the moment as I do have quite a few other (non-jukebox) bills to currently pay.
I do plan to have two large HDD in the Juke, one with audio and the other having video. It's just a case of taking one step at a time for me as I have charged right in, in the past & ended up spending more than necessary on things that I didn't really need.
I'm currently trying to get by on things that I have lying around, getting to see how things work and then sitting down & working out what I actually need and upgrading as necessary.
I hear you sooner spend your money on women and booze and jukebox comes second, tut tut ;)
Quote from: Mark Norville on March 03, 2017, 09:08:18 AM
I hear you sooner spend your money on women and booze and jukebox comes second, tut tut ;)
Well, I didn't like to say ;D 8) :D
yes mark your right about mp3/flac comparison which I've tested many times but in general
my 55 year old ears couldn't tell the difference on newer tracks but could however on older
stuff mainly 60s/70s tracks had more punch and depth
anyhow this idea as been in my head for about 5 years so probably wont happen
how's the portrait skin any joy mate
I now have all four PC's up and running, I just need to find the last version of the skin that I was working on, I transferred two across today but have others on the other hard drives so I will have a look at them and see where I am.
I have not done any skinning or tagging since last year so need to catch up again.
I might have a look this weekend as just trying to get everything up and running again as all on minimal at the moment as been doing fresh installs on SSD's.
Once I get back into it again then it should not take too long, famous last words, but now that I have my final set ups, I really want to finish.
Regards
Mark
sounds like you suffer the same syndrome as me starting on one project then jump to another and another
then I realise I've got 3 jukes to Finnish and a kodi project using dvb-s
so determined to finish kodi project this weekend and a costumers juke
hopefully ::)
I used a pc that has a power on when mains is connected option in the bios. Not sure if any do that now as it isn't something i have looked for since putting the pc in the video surfer.
I used that method when I did pub jukes in the past using mini xp tried it with windows 7 but ended up with boot errors
Quote from: Barcrest on March 04, 2017, 02:05:40 PM
I used a pc that has a power on when mains is connected option in the bios. Not sure if any do that now as it isn't something i have looked for since putting the pc in the video surfer.
I just tried this now as thinking about putting my arcade PC back in the cabinet today. Sadly it was not what I wanted, I switched it off at the switch and then pulled the cable out and it did restart however it wanted to check if Windows is buggered so that might do more harm than good to the hard drive.
I was hoping that it done what the PC that I had done which was even when I hit the shut down button, it would instantly reboot itself sadly it just shut off.
Still the option is there, incase of a power failure, but you would need to hit a key board just so that it does not go into recovery mode.
Quote from: Mark Norville on March 06, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: Barcrest on March 04, 2017, 02:05:40 PM
I used a pc that has a power on when mains is connected option in the bios. Not sure if any do that now as it isn't something i have looked for since putting the pc in the video surfer.
I just tried this now as thinking about putting my arcade PC back in the cabinet today. Sadly it was not what I wanted, I switched it off at the switch and then pulled the cable out and it did restart however it wanted to check if Windows is buggered so that might do more harm than good to the hard drive.
I was hoping that it done what the PC that I had done which was even when I hit the shut down button, it would instantly reboot itself sadly it just shut off.
Still the option is there, incase of a power failure, but you would need to hit a key board just so that it does not go into recovery mode.
You still need to shut the pc down correctly which is why I added the shutdown pc option to e-touch. You could of course automate that with a UPS if you really wanted to.
As my Jukebox never came with a PC, which I'm currently building, does anyone know what size PC case these units take?
I've purchased a cheap HP* SFF PC off eBay but annoyingly even this is far too big to sit on the empty shelf I assume is for the PC. The motherboard inside the PC is tiny though and would fit in but I'm unsure whether it's safe to place the internals of the PC in the Juke without them being in a PC case.
* even though it's a HP PC, I have performed a clean install of windows on a brand new SSD, there are no longer any HP bloatware on it now.
Firstly they do not come with cases, they are just a mobo attached to the frame that would be where you should look first.
Quote from: Mark Norville on March 08, 2017, 11:13:05 AM
Firstly they do not come with cases, they are just a mobo attached to the frame that would be where you should look first.
Ahh right, I didn't realise that, I will have to have another good look around the Jukebox case at the weekend, I'm unlikely to have time between now and then.
you need a mini itx motherboard/pc
Quote from: jukejohn on March 08, 2017, 01:00:10 PM
you need a mini itx motherboard/pc
Do I? Oh damn it..
That's piled a big load of poo on my cheap PC purchase as I'm pretty sure the mobo isn't a mini itx. :(
Anyway, thanks for the info JukeJohn :)
My larger and older video surfer wall mount takes a normal midi atx case.
For the time being I'm going to stick with my Minix PC as originally planned.
I've just discovered a hack on the internet that allows the Minix PC to start up automatically on power up, so for the short term will stick with that.
Thanks again guys for all your help on this subject, you've been invaluable in helping me :)
I now just have to finish off the new skin I'm making for the Jukebox so I can get it all up and running. :)
Looking forward to seeing that skin released :beer
Quote from: Barcrest on March 12, 2017, 11:06:09 AM
Looking forward to seeing that skin released :beer
I hope to have it fully sorted in the next couple of weeks, it's a case of putting the finishing touches to it now.
Hi Guys,
Is there a recommended pc to use for the conversion of these juke-boxes, or is it just a question of one with windows 7 with dual video out card.
thanks
Steve
Mini atx windows xp/7 dual output is only good if you want to send it to an external monitor.
Hi Mark,
Yeah I intend to link in to several external monitors, was just going to buy cheap windows 7 dual output pc of ebay, there'll be loads of room in my jukebox cabinet whenever I remove the old sound leisure pc, was just making sure with regard to pc specs that I wouldn't be missing something.
Stephen
The main thing is the CPU really and memory, but depends upon size of your library, the more you have, the better you want.
It runs fine on my tablet pc so you don't need to worry so much about the pc spec nowdays. Dual output is great for the videos it's all i play now.
Hi Not sure how active this discussion is, however i've got a similar diy project going... my issue is the drivers for the fing touch screen, i've upgraded the os so i can get the zytronic support.... still no joy, it detects it and i know it works because if i plug in the old hard disk then i can get it working. I would greatly appreciate any help on this one.
Thanks
What OS are you upgrading to? It does help to include details.
which version of screen is it
there is the usb version with controller pcb and theres is the older serial type
which type depends on os you can use
Tel,
Did you order those on off switches and if you did has it been delivered? It has been a while now
Hi Mark,
No, I haven't as yet, I've unfortunately had a few unexpected bills come in just recently and they've had to take priority, as such the building of my jukebox has frustratingly been put on hold. >:( :(
Damm wanted to see if you got ripped off first, then I could have saved some money and bought elsewhere. I shall have a look at some point I suppose as I only need a cable to get the arcade PC back in the cabinet, but not been bothered for a while. I have been trying to control my OCD and not everything revolves around every single and album in the World. More to life than this stuff, as for what I do not know, as still busy with this stuff.