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Title: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 14, 2008, 10:52:17 PM
Hello everyone,

I present

Config6 Alpha - June 05 release
alpha version .77

http://www.iamkizer.net/freeboxjukebox/files/config/Config6ALPHA-June5.zip

Again huge credit to frosty for his work and Barry for why we are all here. and Kizer for hosting

known issues:
If your computer is on a domain some errors on folder selecting
export to config5 will throw errors for years and genere
.tag not fully tested
command line not tested
if you scan a path with no folders funky things happen


if you report errors please post up and good looking bits from the error.txt
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 15, 2008, 06:39:45 AM
fixed some more bugs and updated the package again. I see a few downloads anyone have any feedback? Your feedback on the app sort of directly effects the incorporation of the DB function into new versions of FJB, also I work for feedback.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: eist1 on May 15, 2008, 07:01:32 AM
I was able to download the original version earlier, but get this "Sorry, the page you requested was not found." now when trying to download the updated version.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: draginit on May 15, 2008, 08:28:49 AM
probably maxed the bandwidth!?
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 15, 2008, 03:42:23 PM
likely, it works right now. They reset the bandwidth meter ever hour. so if you cant get it wait till the next hour on the clock. (this is due to the free hosting server) or i just messed up the name, i just repasted the link to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: eist1 on May 15, 2008, 04:42:08 PM
spud,

It's working now, just downloaded it, I will try it out on my test library and see how it works. If freebox starts using the sqllite db, will it then technically be able to support embedded artwork? As there looks to be a db section for artwork. Thanks to both of you for putting time into this....
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on May 15, 2008, 04:51:00 PM
yes, thank you very much.  I like that you are helping out, take some work off of Barry
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on May 15, 2008, 04:51:57 PM
The DB section for artwork is an idea frosty had about putting the artwork in the DB. This is not as good an idea as it seems. It will make the DB huge and it offers no speed increase when loading the files over what we have now. However switching to SQLite should mean that searches will be a lot faster and we can do more filtering easier. There shouldn't be any need for the seperate genre libs and artist libs.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 15, 2008, 05:13:26 PM
well i would say the glob is one part the application change, the ability to deal with the data in a structured manner is the big change. from my testing so far the db size change isnt a huge issue
-also disk usage isnt as much of a problem now-a-days but application memory is.

I think the biggest value change (in globs) is that the lack of disk spin time to load the jpg which could cause mp3 stream issues vs having them in the local db so windows file API search isnt needed

this glob idea is could be turned off if disk space is a issue.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: eist1 on May 15, 2008, 05:38:31 PM
Tried it out on my small Music library and my Karaoke library, and it seems very fast.... The only thing I found was that all the files (Karaoke and Audio) are being put under the Audio section, but other than that great start....
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 15, 2008, 05:42:07 PM
thanks I will bug that, I haven't tested with movies or Karaoke yet so I will get that on the debug list.

you can also right click stuff and delete from the DB


but im glad it works on other people collection, I did a lot of hacking to Barry's and Frosty's code and was scared that I ruined it.


pulled down a free CDG file (jingle bells) haha and
now I can test that I see the issue

Also when Barry has time I hope to incorporate the .tag editor into this application and give you a choice to make a tag on the fly is there isnt one.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: netcat on May 15, 2008, 06:48:42 PM
I will be happyu to test it but am confussed


will this just enhance the speed in the generation of the databases OR will it spped up the search and execution of media INSIDE of freebox ?
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 15, 2008, 07:08:42 PM
this is just a "next gen" import tool. I cleaned up the tool and frosty invented a storage system into sql.

The clean up of the tool is just things that bothered me about the old application it was confusing to use.

The SQL switch will speed up searching in and out of the tool. Also i have 50,000+ mp3's in my DJ computer (im a simi-pro party DJ) and when I import this collection config5 will crash and the flat files are just a giant mess of data. With SQL i can create sql calls to manage the data in a format that is much cleaner then dealing with flat file and data fragment issues as well as import memory, with config 5 the import tool would kick my P43ghz box, with the new tool I dont have that issue.

the end experience with jukebox4 will be better memory management and a different way to search and store album graphics (and we were chatting about the benefits ^^^)

the execution of media in the jukebox application is depended on the jukebox code your HDD speed and memory in the system, however the end user will not notice much in the beginning. however in the future we can run reports on most played, keep play statics in a database when the computer shut's down. gather reports on cashflow, etc. This can all be done with flatfiles, however i am personally not a fan of VB6 ability to deal with flat file data.

this alpha code needs to undergo testing and further development with frosty/barry if that wont happen then I will likely try to rework config5 in its current state. but the benefits of the SQL-DB I hope are realized by the dev team. so that I can continue to help dev this project. But thats a B call. Im just here to give my experience with code to free up some time for B, I dont want anything but to make this product better.

You can run this application on your media collection and test it out. if you like it or find bugs let us know, if you dont let us know. It will not hurt your media, and it will not change anything with current jukebox (as jukebox4 cant read anything with SQL) its just a import tool demo.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: netcat on May 15, 2008, 10:18:47 PM
I have had many problems in the past as well as I have now over 500 Gb of MP3s
another 300 worth of Karaoke
and at least 100 in MPGs

after much pleading I was able to persuade Barry to put some ERROR trapping inside of the current config (which I pressume you have kept in the new version)

otherwize I had to spend sometimes days figuring out on which files config was chocking, I have also talked with Barry in the past about using some sort of SQL database search within freebox which should prove to be much quicker and more efficient. is this were we are headed ?

Thanks.
Tony
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on May 15, 2008, 10:22:13 PM
Mirrored
http://www.iamkizer.net/freeboxjukebox/files/Config6ALPHA.zip

Feel free to update the first post in this thread if you like with it. Or make it the sole download source if you like I have the bandwith available for your use.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 15, 2008, 10:26:08 PM
that is where i would like to head, B. is the project manager so I will just help where he wants me to I guess...


I am in the same boat as you, config5 error logging and crashing drove me crazy. I would say that I have tripled the ammount of error trapping/logging and options to deal with your data as you want.

I have put in the ability to stop on every file that crashes the import so you can fix them, or log them and not error just skip the file it missed. I have also put in a function to skip tracks with no tag information so you dont have dirty data, and log it.

I have also expanded on frosty's orginal idea of DB import to allow the deletion of albums from the record case if you dont want them.

-- Try running this config6 on your collection and report in on your experience, there are two identified bugs that are known (that you may notice, there are a handfull of bugs you wont)

-bug if you have more then 32 tracks in a album you will get a overrun, frosty identified this and fixed last night (not in the code i put to geocities) but its on my CVS
-bug all media currently will go into Audio, this was identified today and i havent been home yet to work

I work in seattle PST so thats my hours of free time and work time

Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on May 15, 2008, 11:04:31 PM
I live north of Seattle  ;) Literally
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on May 15, 2008, 11:08:33 PM
Welp the first thing I noticed is it will not even let me look at any files on the C: drive so I can't even begin to build a database. It lets me look at other drives and even drives mapped on my network, but not the drive with the tunes on it.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: eist1 on May 15, 2008, 11:49:55 PM
I was able to look at my folders on the C: drive (C:\My Music and C:\My Karaoke) so I'm not sure where you trying to look. BTW, I'm heading to Seattle (Bothell) this Sunday for work will be the the whole week....
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 16, 2008, 12:13:59 AM
hehe fun a seattle crowd,

@kizer

did you get a error on open or it wont let you scan, i was working on some "removable media code" and it could cause issues.

also are you on a PC with a domain controller, i have a known issue if you have %home% set on the domain controller. (update at 5pmPST I have a workaround for the domain controller in CVS)

Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: netcat on May 16, 2008, 02:38:22 AM
All I can say so far s "it looks Sharp"

over the weekend I'll test generating some databases
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 16, 2008, 05:50:43 AM
just fixed some of the bugs people had did a work around with the c: issue that i hope will work.

link on post #1 of thread

Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on May 16, 2008, 06:59:26 AM
hehe fun a seattle crowd,

@kizer

did you get a error on open or it wont let you scan, i was working on some "removable media code" and it could cause issues.

also are you on a PC with a domain controller, i have a known issue if you have %home% set on the domain controller. (update at 5pmPST I have a workaround for the domain controller in CVS)



Yes Im on a network with probably 1500+ Pcs. I tried it at home on 10 ablums and damn is it ever fast. I used the newest one you have listed in the thread.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 16, 2008, 10:56:13 PM
good to hear, i updated all the links with new resting point thanks kizer
link on post #1 of thread


the current version up should fix the C: issue,  in Re to version control I am avoiding that untill its out of alpha as likely it will go back to 6.0 the 6.01 6.02 etc is just for alpha stage.  if your wondering why there is no version on the zip's yet.

I guess I could start at 5.5.1.2.3 etc
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 17, 2008, 06:47:35 PM
new file on the 1st post of thread, Config6ALPHA-MAY17.zip

I added 'rev' 1 of the auto-tag for movies and wav files. Seems to work ok for me I tested a few different ways people might mess things up for errors. I think its all there.

Also did some minor bug fixing for some of the actual processing of .tag files I know why config5 has a error now (posted to the dev team)
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on May 17, 2008, 08:49:05 PM
It looks like it is working pretty nicely importing the .wav files after I created the tags with V4.  I really like the new config.  I noticed that you have the TAG creation tool in there but it is currently not working.  I know there are a few bugs with the current tagger, are you going to be getting that working?

Thanks
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 17, 2008, 09:06:13 PM
should be working, where do you see errors?
-I havent checked the code on the "populate buttons" yet but the basic text enter should work what is your error or experience?

update: did full testing on released version and couldn't find errors (might be issues with a older .tag format?)

if you import .wav files or movie files and the .tag is not there, it should also pop open the window and allow you do create on the fly if you wish (check box)

also what are the current bugs that you have noticed in the tagger code? so i can make sure its all fixed up.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on May 17, 2008, 10:01:25 PM
Hi,
It was the populate function that I was testing.  It does not seem to be working (I do not see an option to show what the path is :   artist\album etc.. is, this is in the current config maybe thats the issue?)  When using the populate button, if there is a period in the artist or album the beta tagger does not pull from the fields correctly.  Also, on some album, it leaves the last track off when selecting "populate all from filename".

It would also be nice if you could go to the parent director (ie c:\music )  and populate all the files instead of going album by album.

Thanks
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on May 18, 2008, 09:24:20 AM
update:

I got you now, looked at the old version.

as far as the buttons to populate from the filename I have not cleaned them up yet so right now thats a known issue.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on June 04, 2008, 03:39:21 AM
new version boys and girls, this one has config5/FBJB4.x ability. this is alpha so if its important back it up.


also remember to tip click the paypal button to pay for more beer for Barry so he gets drunk and codes in the new FBJB-5 database backend.

is on post #1 on this thread. hope we did good.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on June 04, 2008, 03:52:25 AM
Excellent, look forward to playing with this some more myself. It's 4:00am here so i think i will have to play tomorrow... Good Job everybody.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on June 04, 2008, 07:14:21 PM
Nifty little app. I did a run on 5 or 6 albums with the following settings.
Audio
Name Swap
Skip files with No Artist or Track data
Alert on Track Import Problems
Erase Library First
Use the following .JPG file "cover.jpg"

Error Log generated this code.
6/4/2008 11:09:23 AM: Error in Config6.DBGenerate, A Commit or RollBack is expected first ErrNum:-2147221504, Line 45 :app.version:607

I am on a large domain playing with this so I don't know if the above mentioned error is caused by that.

Only feature I think would be cool is if it can give you a thumb nail of the album cover when you click on the + to look at all of the albums. It would make quick scan of all the album covers missing. Then again I guess reading the error log would do the same thing.  :chad
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on June 04, 2008, 10:44:00 PM
yea puts un needed slowness on the application i tested that (the icon for the tree view)

attempted to fix that error, new version posted today.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on June 05, 2008, 03:04:32 AM
version 6.0.72 posted, this fixes some problems with thumbnail creation on the fly (this might speed things up but until the new version of FBJB no notice, just need bug testing)


remember that the new 6.0.7+ will export to config5 so that you can use this new version with your current jukebox
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on June 05, 2008, 04:46:38 PM
new copy up fixed some bugs that rolled in, hows the testing going the app working better then expected?
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on June 05, 2008, 04:49:40 PM
I'm really looking forward to playing with this. Hopefully i'll have feedback for you later.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on June 05, 2008, 09:05:27 PM
download it again, fixed a few problems as well as the sort order we were chatting about.

the current file I just imported all my music for the wedding into 4.0.4 and 100% working as expected (as far as the basic import and functionality with legacy database format)
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 05, 2008, 09:20:05 PM
I hope to play with this this weekend.  I am going to try and reformat my PC, install tinyxp, then install the latest version of freebox and use this new config.  Does the new config support videos and karoke yet?
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: spudgunman on June 05, 2008, 09:54:06 PM
should, i just have one cdg file and a few mpg's for testing but should work
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Cary_B on June 06, 2008, 12:48:22 AM
I hope to play with this this weekend.  I am going to try and reformat my PC, install tinyxp, then install the latest version of freebox and use this new config.  Does the new config support videos and karoke yet?

I intend to do the same.  Before I start, what do I need to install besides TinyXP, and the Freebox software? Latest media player, codecs, etc.  I assume the drivers for the motherboard, video and audio card, and what about updates?

The recommended settings topic is a little dated.  I think we need a new one.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on June 07, 2008, 12:26:28 PM
As long as you have XP, Madia Player 11, K-Lite Codec Pack, Included Karaoke CODEC and Freebox V4 you should be good to go. Any other updates you wish to put on are up to you.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 07, 2008, 03:01:32 PM
installed it on my laptop with out any problems, now for the jukebox
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on June 07, 2008, 04:46:49 PM
Heck I just installed:
TinyXP
Video card drivers
Network card drivers
All my tunes
Freebox

Seems to work fine playing music. I might of updated my media player, but I don't remember. ;)

Oh yeah I aswell installed defraggler, which is a free Defragger because I like to keep it clean so it runs smooth.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on June 07, 2008, 06:54:39 PM
XP has it's own defragging tool.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: eist1 on June 08, 2008, 06:26:59 PM
Spud,

Another nice addition to Config6 would be the option to rip a CD to the Music Library. WMP could be used as the ripper, as I know the command line option is wmplayer /Task CDAudio but this only opens the Rip window, so the options would still need to be set in WMP to point to the correct library unless someone knows additional flags to preconfigure that. Also Im sure there are command line rippers out there that Config6 could send the commands to, but I don't know of a good command line ripper for windows, as I see many for Linux. If someone knows of a good freeware (Lame...) command line cd ripper, let us know. Then in the Config6 app the destination and other settings (bitrate, etc) could be set to send these to the command line. This functionality has been asked many times to Barry, but as Barry has stated that isn't a Jukebox function, but I think it would fit in nicely with the Config6 program. And in the future a link to the Config program could be added to the Options screen, and can be run from inside FJB. Just an idea but would be a nice addition. Great work so far.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on June 08, 2008, 06:54:01 PM
XP has it's own defragging tool.

Yes it does, but it sucks. Defraggler lets you defrag the files you want not what it says you need to. I can defrag my 500gig drive in seconds opposed to an hour.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on June 08, 2008, 07:02:02 PM
Fair enough dude.. I was just pointing it out in case you didn't know about it. To be honest i don't really bothe rdefraggin cause i'm a lazy ass. That is also why my dis access times are getting so bad i would have thought LOL
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on June 08, 2008, 07:15:12 PM
Yeah sorry if I come across like an ass it wasn't meant to be. Xp's version is actually an adopted version of Diskeeper, but dumbed down some. It works very well compaired to the older versions, but having a little 1ghz machine and other old hardware I find that by defragging now and then really helps. I dump a few albums I defrag as well I defrag the OS drive since Freebox writes now and then and of course the OS has to do its thing. ;)
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on June 09, 2008, 12:01:53 AM
No i agree it's a good thing and a nice tip for a little speed bosst if the music drive is larged and heavilly fragged it is worth doing. I'm just lazy but i really do need to do it on music drive. I might set it running when i leave for work tomorrow...
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 17, 2008, 04:07:18 AM
Is there away to have FB just show all the artists and then you pick one and then it shows all the albums you have for that artist?  Just thought that might make it easier to go through the library.  Any chance the new config will be able to do this?
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: eist1 on June 17, 2008, 04:22:04 AM
squirrley,

Freebox already does this, just filter on the artist, and all of the albums from just that artist will show up in the albums page.....
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 17, 2008, 04:26:54 AM
really, I need to play with this more  thanks
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: eist1 on June 17, 2008, 04:37:33 AM
Yep, just make sure when generating your library you have the box checked "Generate Artist Libraries" We all know your wife is the #1 user of the jukebox, so you may want to ask her how it works  ;D
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on June 17, 2008, 08:32:51 AM
Yep, just make sure when generating your library you have the box checked "Generate Artist Libraries" We all know your wife is the #1 user of the jukebox, so you may want to ask her how it works  ;D

 :D
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 17, 2008, 01:47:20 PM
Yep, just make sure when generating your library you have the box checked "Generate Artist Libraries" We all know your wife is the #1 user of the jukebox, so you may want to ask her how it works  ;D

oh, you are so funny  ;D  but it is true  :chad
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on June 17, 2008, 03:23:33 PM
Hi,
I can get Config6 to load up my files.  I then export to Config 5 Legacy (Using 4.0.6).  When I load Freebox the covers show up, but not the tracks. 

I cannot get the tracks to load just using Config 5 either ( they will not load at all, at least with config 6 export I get the album covers). 

FYI I am using .wav files tagged with the old beta tagger.

Thanks
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 21, 2008, 05:21:25 PM
Just install tinyxp and the latest beta and when I tried to run config5 it says I am missing MSSTDFMT.DLL any idea what this file is?

I get the same thing for config6
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: netcat on June 21, 2008, 07:53:17 PM
Yes (I ran into the same problem) TinyXP is missing some of the necessary DLLs and proper registration.

Download and run THIS:

http://www.ascentive.com/support/new/libraryfiles.exe (http://www.ascentive.com/support/new/libraryfiles.exe)

it will fix the problem
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 21, 2008, 08:47:43 PM
thanks it worked, might wanna post this under the tinyxp section
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 21, 2008, 09:11:11 PM
config 6 suggestion......

Is there away to have the config move the files it finds with bad or incorrect tags?  I am going through my music now and I have it ask me what to do if it finds something wrong.  I think it would be really great if it could run through your whole library and when it finds something wrong it automatically moves the files over, copying the same folders you have.  So then you have an idea of what they were, then you could use a program like tag and rename to tag the correctly.   What do you think??
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: netcat on June 21, 2008, 09:59:58 PM
Good point I will modify the tutorial.

Did U use my tutorial to Install TinyXP or did you fly solo?

If u used my instructions, how did they work for you ?

Feedback helps me inprove the tutorial (and boosts my ego)

Thanks
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 21, 2008, 10:41:14 PM
I flew solo, just installed tinyxp from the CD and it did the rest
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 22, 2008, 03:07:26 PM
config 6 suggestion......

Is there away to have the config move the files it finds with bad or incorrect tags?  I am going through my music now and I have it ask me what to do if it finds something wrong.  I think it would be really great if it could run through your whole library and when it finds something wrong it automatically moves the files over, copying the same folders you have.  So then you have an idea of what they were, then you could use a program like tag and rename to tag the correctly.   What do you think??

I just relized that I can get this info from the log file so that helps
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on June 22, 2008, 11:17:44 PM
That is a good idea for the config... Would be sweet if it copied them to a user specified directory but i don't know how easy it would be and it might be something that slows down the building process of the library.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 22, 2008, 11:33:14 PM
thats what I was thinking also but the log file is working fine for me.  Still not sure how the compilations work though.  It would be nice if you could tell the config that if it fines a VARIOUS ARTIST folder that everything is automatically labeled VARIOUS ARTIST and then use the folders inside that to name the album.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 23, 2008, 03:06:55 AM
OK, I just ran the congig 6 on my whole library and it seem to work fine, did not test everything out yet.  I did get an error at the end of it though.  I did notice that if you don't have any album art, when you scroll it shows the album art from the previous album so that is a bug.

"error in DB4.writegeneres bad filename or number err.num:52, line 230:app version 6077"

also I had another idea for the config

what if you could choose what shows up in the log or have a separate log.  For example I could careless if the COMPOSER doesn't match and it would be nice to ignore that in the config log. And here is the big one....

Any chance of have it determine if you have two or more similar albums?  What I mean by this is I know I have RED HOT CHILLI PEPPERS and THE RED HOT CHILLI PEPPERS in two different areas, one under R and one under THE.  Could it some how run a report on this?  It could look for similarities in the tags or just the folder names, I realize it probably wouldn't be 100% accurate but it probably would help.

Just an idea.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on June 24, 2008, 03:02:01 AM
Personally anything it has to do to slow it down I'm against. Creating a log is completely fine be me as long as its a useful log.

Personally if you want it to move files and other funky stuff I think it should be a supplemental app or maybe an addon that can be ran after the build. Maybe a found errors do you wish to move or something after the build.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on June 24, 2008, 03:12:34 AM
yeah, I was think it could be an option to choose but the log is working fine for me.  I just wish I could choose what the log shows
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on June 24, 2008, 05:39:14 PM
Hahah, thats why I said "Useful". Nothing worse than a log with 54523434 lines of errors if you can't understand what the heck its saying. ;)
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Cary_B on June 25, 2008, 12:16:21 PM
Hi,
I can get Config6 to load up my files.  I then export to Config 5 Legacy (Using 4.0.6).  When I load Freebox the covers show up, but not the tracks. 

I cannot get the tracks to load just using Config 5 either ( they will not load at all, at least with config 6 export I get the album covers). 

FYI I am using .wav files tagged with the old beta tagger.

Thanks
Any idea when we will see a new version of Config6?  I am also still getting this problem, though I am using .mp3 files.  And Config5 still won't let me correctly move "THE" to the end of ARTIST names.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on June 28, 2008, 11:25:38 PM
Frosty and spudgunman are still on the team just busy right now... Things are still WIP and for the time being i suggest you stick with config 3. It's not as flash but it does it's job.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on June 30, 2008, 11:23:10 PM
In the future with Config 6 when you use the media tagger will the program store the tag files in the Freebox directory, or will it continue to add the file to the media folder?  It would be nice if the tagger did not add anything to the media folders.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on June 30, 2008, 11:28:44 PM
Ah you are refing to beta tag. Yes it will always make those tag files. These are needed because if you delete your database you wouldn't want to tag everything again from scratch would you.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on July 01, 2008, 01:07:35 AM
Yeah, you are probably right.  That would be a pain if I deleted the database then had to go back in and tag everything again  :tommy   
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on July 10, 2008, 04:40:38 PM
Just wondering if there will be a new config6 soon?  I am hoping it has the ability to go through and tag my files all at once, instead of going album by album :D
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on July 10, 2008, 04:42:41 PM
Album by album?
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: eist1 on July 10, 2008, 05:38:33 PM
Spudgunman got married awhile back, so looks like we may have lost him.... Us married guys know how that goes.... I get yelled at regularly :chad
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on July 10, 2008, 06:12:47 PM
We do have frosty but i think he's abit swamped on his own. Larrs from BYOAC has shared some album cover downloading code with us that should be in the new config 6 when/if it gets released... I have been spending every spare minute fixing up the Front End, glad to say that is now working and been tested. I need to get that working and tested version uploaded
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: squirrellydw on July 10, 2008, 07:05:42 PM
yes please upload it, still no email and I would like to test it out tonight
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on July 10, 2008, 07:50:48 PM
Barcrest,
Yeah album by album when I tag.  I use the beta tagger, you need to go album by album.    It would nice to be able to pick a directory and have it tag everything under it.  I understand if people are busy, I was just wondering  :P
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on July 10, 2008, 07:59:50 PM
Ah betatag, i lost the source code for that you know... It's also nothing to do with a new version of config6 unless they add tagging to that app. In which case i assume you would be able to do it by going through the DB and tagging where there was missing info. Frosty or Spudgunman need to answer this really.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on July 10, 2008, 08:30:13 PM
I hope it is in the new config6  :)  The original works, but has some errors and is slow ( not a fault of yours, that is why its a beta  :beer)
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on July 10, 2008, 11:43:10 PM
Barcrest,
Yeah album by album when I tag.  I use the beta tagger, you need to go album by album.    It would nice to be able to pick a directory and have it tag everything under it.  I understand if people are busy, I was just wondering  :P
.

Have fun
http://www.magic-tagger.com/eng/index.php
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on July 11, 2008, 01:08:28 AM
Kizer,

Thanks, but I use all .wav files.  I should have put that note.  I was using the Freebox Beta Tagger to tag all my files (it creates a .tag text type file in the directory of the album, and Freebox uses that as the tag).  I hope config 6 has a different way ( or similiar way just a little more streamlined).  Other programs I use have a pretty slick ways to tag them ( most just build a cache directory of sorts for it, like iTunes, or J River, etc..)  They do not put anything in the actual directory since it is a proprietary file for the software.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: kizer on July 14, 2008, 07:57:17 PM
Wow, you use all Wav files? Aren't those files HUGE?
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on July 14, 2008, 10:30:20 PM
James i added support for orbis OGG files, i think those are lossless compression and could save you some space converting those WAV files. You can also tag those... Alternatively you could use FLAC i am hoping to have support for that as well in the next release. Just a couple of ideas to help save you some space and organise your music a little better.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on July 15, 2008, 03:57:51 PM
Kizer,
The files are pretty large :o, but hard drive space is getting cheaper, and its easier just to rip and store, not worry about compression.  I have looked into Flac, and have pondered converting, but have not yet.  I will have to look into it some more.  Thanks
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on July 15, 2008, 04:37:17 PM
That's the issue with WAV files, they are huge. For the size of one wav file you can have almost 10 tracks of MP3. Personally i don't notice the difference in quality, if it's there it's very minor.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on July 15, 2008, 07:40:38 PM
I agree its a minor difference, but its nice to have an exact bit for bit copy, especially on live tracks.  I am probably going to keep using .wav files, but we will see.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha: Audio Compression
Post by: bzpilot on July 15, 2008, 08:42:10 PM
If your .wav files were made from CDs the current quality your looking at is a little above 1400kb/sec giving you a .wav file of about 40mb.  Converting it to "CD Quality" .mp3 format will give you 320kb/sec giving you an .mp3 file of about 9.5mb, saving you about 75% of your disk space.  The ratio between kb/sec and file size is exact the only variable is the song length.

320kb/sec .mp3 format is pretty decent.  The .mp3 format is known to start clipping audio above about 17000Hz, near the upper end of the human audible range.  It does this intentionally to reduce the audio file size to the typical human audible range.  If your 20 years old the highest you may hear is around 18,0000Hz to 20000Hz, if you are 40 years old the highest is closer to 17,000Hz, if you are 60 it is around 16,000Hz or less (of course these are just typical results, you may be different). Other than that, useing standard room audio equipment and with ever-present room background noise (i.e. not in a studio environment) can make the difference between 1400kb/sec and 320kb/sec smaller than you would think.  So unless your dog (hears up to 45,000HZ) or your cat (up to 64,000Hz) start complaining 320kb/sec is respectable audio quality.

Where you will notice the greatest degradation in sound is from 320kb/sec on down.  For instance standard music service downloads (i.e iTunes) at 128kb/sec.  Even an untrained ear with a hangover can distinguish the audio difference between 320kb/sec and 128kb/sec pretty quickly.

Some might have known this already but if may be useful to some others contemplating what format to save in and what compression rate to use or download at.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on July 16, 2008, 02:50:48 PM
I really do not have problems with MP3's, especially when they are encoded at 320.  I just prefer ( I am a little anal retentive) to have bit for bit archival wav files from my cd's.  I have my entire collection ripped in wav files, just trying to get everything straitened out with the touch screen jukebox.  Hopefully the Config 6 will offer slightly better tagging options (you would need this even if going to video files, I have some that have to be tagged manually as well).
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on July 16, 2008, 03:46:39 PM
The tagging process should be completed before building the library really. This is what i do and i only build the library against things i know i have tagged.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on July 16, 2008, 05:04:12 PM
Yeah, that is the way I did it on my previous library.  Maybe they can update the current tagger? It is just you have to go album by album (that is fine, once it is tagged its tagged 8) ), and it tends to leave off the last track occasionally, and is not good with titles with a "." in them, as well as a few others.  It would be nice to be able to tag all the album at once using the directory structure and folder names, instead of going album by album (if it was possible, I have over 1,000 albums to tag).
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on July 16, 2008, 08:31:06 PM
So really what you are saying is you would like the beta tagger to be improved to go through and tag it all... Damn i could do this but like i said i lost the source code. Hmmm maybe i can add auto tagging of WAV, MPG, AVI etc to config 3... Hmm something to think about.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: fat-johnny on July 17, 2008, 12:44:55 AM
It would be nice to be able to tag all the album at once using the directory structure and folder names
Have you ever used Tag & Rename??  You can do just that, create the tags from the folder structure and filenames.

FJ
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on July 17, 2008, 02:32:27 AM
Not for wav files he can't.. He is using the beta tagger.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on July 17, 2008, 03:23:56 PM
That would be kick ass if it could be improved.  So there is no way to improve the current beta tagger without the source code?
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on July 17, 2008, 08:38:28 PM
Not really no, i will see what i can do with it.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on August 06, 2008, 02:13:46 PM
Barry,
Just wondering if you had a chance to look at the current tagger/options.

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on August 06, 2008, 02:41:19 PM
I have not had chance to update the beta tagger or even work on it. However i am ploughing all my time into the config 4 so i might as well see if i can add code to that to tag the video files for you automatically through that somehow.

I keep hearing issues and i want the app to be more bug free and user friendly before adding new features, the new config 4 i have now has the option to download missing album art. I am still tweaking this and improving the usability of it. The next release should nicer on the config/set up front so just bear with me on this.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: James77 on August 06, 2008, 02:48:02 PM
No problem, you are great at improving and updating the software.  How come we went from Config 3 to Config 6 now back to Config 4?  I am just a little confused :)
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Congui on August 06, 2008, 03:18:23 PM
Any chance the config 4 will read the "Album Artist" tag someday?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Config6-Alpha
Post by: Barcrest on August 06, 2008, 11:15:25 PM
Any chance the config 4 will read the "Album Artist" tag someday?

Cheers.

Not any time soon, sorry.