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Started by jonfinpausa, April 03, 2007, 10:41:22 AM

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jonfinpausa

The coin mechs are all shut down right?
So maybe a key gen system could work or perhaps a full running version for a period of time.

Barcrest

Oh i am just not going to bother it's all too much work and i can't be bothered... Everyone just carry on as before.
Keep on Rocking in the Free World \m/ ;D\m/



Jukebox Stats...

jonfinpausa

well be known Barry any jukeboxs I sell running Freebox I will donate 50.00 bucks to you.

If you feel I owe you for the 2 rental units I have please let me know.I do not want to discourage or cheat you out of anything you have coming, Im just trying to promote both my jukeboxs and your software.

Fish

Barcrest

It's all good... don't worry about it
Keep on Rocking in the Free World \m/ ;D\m/



Jukebox Stats...

jonfinpausa

OK boys and girls  ;D if there is any involved with the project.Here is the 1U I have been working on for the remote that lives behind my Bar and controls the jukebox on the other side of the rec room
We first needed to hack the front controls and LEDS so we can turn the thing on and see what its doing.The ribbon cable end didnt pinout to the mother board.. No Problem


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jonfinpausa

The 24 hour heat up on the bench went perfectly, well within the limits and ready for install.

After a lenthy fight going from a serial touch screen to a USB touch which is behind the bar used as the remote, XP Mini didnt like that idea so I had to slap it around a bit to convince the OS it could and would use the smaller USB touch Screen !!

WaA LAA !!! all done and no more running to the jukebox to change the song or select an album.

Oh and I added a stand alone Jukebox package so the remote can be used as a complete Jukebox hence no need to even turn on the Jukebox on the other side of the rec room.  ;D

NEXT !


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kizer

Looks good man. I thought about throwing up some HD lights on mine too, but I haven't decided where as of yet. I could just for the heck of it on my prototype box and if I dont like it I can scrap it in the final. I might just because that looks cool. ;)
I'm not around 100% so please feel free to PM if you need direct help. Trust me I'm not ignoring you in a post. ;)

jonfinpausa

LOL yeah looks are everything.

I like to know that the thing is at least powering up and the HD is moving.
The power light on the 1U is a little bright, so we will putting a little resistor in to tone it down a bit.

The Saturday night Party went well into Sunday and everything performed perfectly,,except the Karaoke perfromers... LOL hehehe

Fish

mwflint

It's Sunday and I don't want to rain on your parade. But the $400.00 for ascap will
not cover digital jukebox's. Any machine with a hard drive is different, you have to have a
permit from ascap, Bmi/sony, seseac, and pay the Harry Fox agency for the rights to play
them in a commercial environment. You can not use any music from a download, stream,
such as walmart, sony.com . it is illegal to convert music for commercial use if you change
the format, say from WMA to Mp3. You have to pay the people that developed Mp3 $3000.00
minimum for the rights. The Harry fox agency is approx first payment of $10,000.00, So I would
be very careful of renting box's with music MP3 style and or even if you own the music on cd
you are still liable.Here is some of the e-mails from these places.
Hello,

Thanks for the additional information about your product.  It appears that you will indeed require mechanical licenses for the preloading of content and content updates.

In terms of licensing, HFA handles mechanical licensing where the content content servers are located within the United States, its territories and possessions.  You will also need to obtain master rights from the record labels. You must also obtain performance right licenses from the Performance Rights Organizations (ASCAP, BMI & SESAC).

> In the U.S., there are no royalty rates set for digital jukeboxes.  Therefore, a licensee needs to propose a royalty rate and each HFA publisher would decide to participate in the licensing agreement or not.  The "catalog" of available songs is then based upon the participating publishers and their specific song instructions.
>
> As HFA represents over 28,000 publishers, we charge an administration fee for the following: 

> * Drafting of a customized licensing agreement for your company.   
> * Preparation, printing and mailing of your proposal letters to over 28,000 music publishers in the U.S..
> * Responding to any publisher inquiries regarding your company and its offering.
> * Processing all publisher responses to your proposal.
> * Programming HFA's licensing systems for the specifics of your proposal and participating publishers.
> * Issuing licenses and distributing royalties to all HFA publishers who have selected to participate in your deal.
>
> HFA realizes that providers have different licensing needs and business models.  Some providers already have some direct deals in place with publishers, but wish to reach a broader publisher base.  Other providers may be focused on limited content that is controlled by specific publishing entities.  Therefore, HFA is pleased to offer a tiered administration fee structure that will enable providers to solicit the publishers required for their mechanical licensing needs ---  10 HFA affiliated publishers for $3,500; 20 HFA affiliated publishers for $7,000; or all HFA affiliated publishers for $10,000.
>
> Once a royalty rate proposed, HFA would prepare and forward your royalty proposal to the publishers in the form of an opt-in notice.  The publishers would notify HFA if they accept those terms.  For those that do not opt-in you would have to obtain a direct license from them.   
>
> Please let us know if you need additional information or would like to set up a call to further discuss.   We would need to review a business plan, funding/financial forecasts and a technology white paper as the next steps
>
> Best,
> Lauren
>
> Lauren Apolito
> Vice President of Business Development
> The Harry Fox Agency, Inc.
> 711 Third Avenue
> New York, NY 10017
> lapolito@harryfox.com

ASCAPS Digital fee is only $45.00 dollars this year running from June to july.
BMI approx the same
Seseac approx ? depends on number of box's and songs.

Like I said this is just to get you started. Next you have to obtain MASTERS of the music.
you can not use any thing other than these.
So if you live in the states(USA) it will cost a small fortune to start up, and trust me if you get
caught doing it illegal as I did they do press charges and the fines really hurt, Sometimes it will
bankrupt you right off the bat/They take your home and everthing.
>

jonfinpausa

Thanks for all the info, I will pass it on to our legal department.
Well the rental part was not making any money it was developed to promote the concept of the jukebox itself.So selling a jukebox to someone and showing them how to put their own music on the jukebox is not against any laws and is not subjected to any music licenses and such, we are just the hardware manufacture selling hardware not any music or media.
We also understand that everyone is entitled to make backups of the media purchased.Im not sure about who or what the mp3 thing is all about but software companies are building rippers even Apple has a ripper in ITUNES and I wanna think if thats illeagal the MP3 people would sue APPLE before they sue me and my million dollars of debt for providing hardware that is capable of playing even my own mp3's made with garage band. LOL I will be more then happy to give up my bills though if they want them. ;D

The old saying goes..."you cant get water out of a rock" chers

Fish

Barcrest

The MP3 thing should be covered as we are using active movie, freebox itself has no MP3 decoding routines within the software. It just uses what is provided by microsoft, how ever your microsoft licence probably limits you to home use only... The whole thing is a lot easier to get running here in the UK if only i had the start up capital... The jukeboxes availbe in bars here are pretty crappy as well. The only one i have seen that is any good is one that has 2 million songs on it. I can't remeber who makes that but it's not sound leisure who are the maion players in the UK, it might be JPM as the graphics are the same as thier gaming/quiz machine setups.. GAMEBOX i think.
Keep on Rocking in the Free World \m/ ;D\m/



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netcat

jopin that skin is outrageously cool

you guys planning on releasing that to the public ?

jonfinpausa

Hey Netcat !

Which skin are you refering to? The Harley Davidson Skin ?

Fish

netcat

YEs the HArley Skin.

Soooo coool

It might be nice to open a spinoff site where users can post & talk about Skins openly, I understand the problem discussing "The unmentionable skin" here and dont want to get shut down either.

anybody have some server space we can post & talk about skins openly ?

jonfinpausa

yeah I do, I have a linux box running here at the house.
I throw bbs or something on it and we can use it.
Its only 768kbps up stream but it should handle a forum with no problem.

which skin got us shutdown? the one with the work tunes in it? LOL

I will post up a link with the HD skins and I have to give eist1 the credit, he developed the skin and did a darn good job with it I think.


Fish